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>> GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO OUR WORK SESSION.
THIS EVENING, WE'RE HAVING A WORK SESSION TO HEAR PRESENTATION FROM THE CITY ABOUT A PROPOSED PLAN.
I WELCOME THE CITIZENS THAT ARE HERE TO LISTEN IN.
THIS WILL NOT BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR CITIZEN COMMENTS.
WE HAVE CITIZEN COMMENTS AT OUR REGULAR MEETING, WHICH WILL START AT SIX O'CLOCK OR ANY OF OUR SUBSEQUENT MEETINGS, OR I'M SURE THAT YOU CAN ATTEND BATTLE GROUND CITY COUNCIL MEETING AND GIVE INPUT THERE AS WELL.
[A. City of Battle Ground Presentation of the 5th Street Project]
OUR DISTINGUISHED GENTLEMAN FROM THE CITY WILL BEGIN THEIR PRESENTATION.>> THANK YOU. I WANT TO SAY GOOD EVENING TO EVERYONE, BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S QUITE EVENING YET, SO I'LL JUST SAY HELLO.
I'M MARK HERZIG. I'M THE CITY'S PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR.
HE'S OUR ASSOCIATE CIVIL ENGINEER AND THE ONE DESIGNING THE PROJECT.
TONIGHT, WE'RE GOING TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT THE FIFTH STREET PROJECT.
THE OUTLINE OF OUR PRESENTATION, WE'LL GO OVER VICINITY MAP JUST SO EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS WHERE THE PROJECT IS.
WE'LL TALK ABOUT SOME HISTORY FOR THE PROJECT.
WE'LL DO SOME BASIC INFORMATION.
THEN DAN, WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE FOCUS AND SAFETY MEASURES, RIGHT AWAY ACQUISITION, AND THEN I'LL COME BACK TO SCHEDULE IN A SUMMARY OF WHAT WE TALK ABOUT AND THEN LEAVE TIME FOR QUESTIONS.
YOU CAN SEE THE FIFTH STREET PROJECT.
IT'S ACTUALLY JUST NORTH OF US WHERE WE SIT, AND ULTIMATELY GOES ACROSS THE NORTH SIDE OF THE SCHOOL DISTRICT PROPERTY AND SOME PROPERTY THAT THE CITY OWNS CONNECTING 503 TO PARKWAY.
HISTORY OF THE PROJECT. NORTHWEST FIFTH STREET HAS BEEN IN THE TSP SINCE AT LEAST 2005.
IN MAY OF 2016, THE CITY WAS AWARDED $7.7 MILLION THROUGH THE CONNECTING WASHINGTON PROGRAM.
ESSENTIALLY THE GOAL OF THAT FUNDING WAS TO RELIEVE CONGESTION AT 503/502.
503/502 SEES OVER 50,000 VEHICLES PER DAY, WHICH WAS THE LEAD FOR GETTING THAT FUNDING.
WAS A SERIES OF SIX PROJECTS TO ACHIEVE THAT OVERALL GOAL.
WE DIDN'T GET THE MONEY ALL AT ONCE.
IN THE 2015-2017 BIENNIUM WE GOT THE FIRST MILLION, IN THE NEXT BIENNIUM WE GOT THE 3.8 MILLION, AND IN THAT LAST BIENNIUM, WE GOT 2.9 MILLION.
LIKE I MENTIONED, THERE ARE SIX PROJECTS FOR THAT OVERALL PROJECT.
THE FIRST WAS THE NORTHWEST FIFTH WAY EXTENSION.
THAT'S THE ROAD THAT GOES BEHIND FRED MYERS, IT USED TO NOT CONNECT TO 503.
THE OTHER PART OF THE PROJECT WAS REMOVING THE SIGNAL AT 12TH AND MAIN STREET.
ESSENTIALLY, THAT SIGNAL WAS SO CLOSE TO THE INTERSECTION THAT IT WOULD BACK UP TRAFFIC INTO 503/502.
SO THE STATE WANTED IT REMOVED, BUT AS PART OF THAT, WE CONNECTED THE ROAD BEHIND FRED MYERS.
THE SECOND PROJECT WAS AT THE EIGHTH AVENUE, WHICH IS ALSO THE SAFEWAY INTERSECTION AND MAIN STREET.
THERE WERE SOME BASIC IMPROVEMENTS DONE TO MAKE THAT SIGNAL FUNCTION BETTER.
WE ALSO ELIMINATED THE CUT THROUGH THAT USED TO GO TO JACKSON'S THAT ALLOWED THE LEFT TURN LANE ON 503/502 IN THE WESTBOUND DIRECTION TO GET LARGER AND ACCOMMODATE MORE VEHICLES.
THE BIGGEST PROJECT WAS ACTUAL 503/502 INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS.
WE ESSENTIALLY ADDED SECOND LEFT TURN LANE IN TWO OF THE DIRECTIONS, AND THEN THE RIGHT TURN LANES AND THE DIRECTIONS THAT DIDN'T HAVE IT, AND THAT'S THE PROJECT THAT YOU SEE NOW.
FOURTH PROJECT IS FIRST STREET BETWEEN 15TH AND 12TH AVENUES.
THAT WAS RECENTLY PAVED, JUST WAITING ON STRIPING, SO IT'S ALMOST DONE.
THE FIFTH PROJECT WILL BE THE 15TH AVENUE AND MAIN STREET INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS.
THAT PROJECT ESSENTIALLY ADDS A SOUTHBOUND LEFT TURN LANE.
IT HELPS ACCOMMODATE THE LEFT TURN LANE THAT USED TO BE AT 12TH AVENUE AND MAKE SOME OTHER MINOR IMPROVEMENTS AT THAT INTERSECTION.
THEN THE LAST PROJECT ON THE LIST IS THE FIFTH STREET PROJECT, WHICH WE ARE GOING TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT.
AS I MENTIONED, THE CITY HAS ALMOST COMPLETED THE FIRST FOUR PROJECTS, AND THAT FIFTH ONE IS SCHEDULED FOR SUMMER CONSTRUCTION.
SOME BASIC INFORMATION ABOUT FIFTH STREET.
CITY CLASSIFIES THE STREET AS A NEIGHBORHOOD COLLECTOR.
IT'S PROPOSED TO RUN THROUGH CITY OWNED PROPERTY AND THE NORTH SIDE OF THE SCHOOL DISTRICT PROPERTY.
IT IS ANTICIPATED THAT 2,650 VEHICLES PER DAY WILL USE THE ROAD IN ITS 2044 HORIZON PERIOD.
ESSENTIALLY WHAT HORIZON PERIOD MEANS IS WHEN OUR TRAFFIC STUDY, THAT'S THE YEAR WE LOOKED OUT TO.
WE DID THE STUDY IN 2024, SO ESSENTIALLY IT WAS A 20 YEAR LOOKOUT FOR THE PROJECT.
THE STREET IS PROPOSED TO HAVE SEVERAL SAFETY FEATURES DUE TO ITS PROXIMITY TO THE SCHOOL, AND YOU CAN SEE THE CROSS SECTION THERE.
I'M GOING TO HAND IT OVER TO DAN TO TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE FEATURES OF THE ROAD.
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I'LL START ON THE WEST SIDE HERE ALONG 503, AND WE CAN WORK OUR WAY TO THE EAST.
THE FIRST THING YOU MIGHT NOTICE IS SEVERAL STORM WATER PONDS LOCATED ON SCHOOL DISTRICT PROPERTY CURRENTLY, BUT TO BE PURCHASED OR DEDICATED.
THE ORANGE LINES ARE ANTICIPATED GUARD RAIL LOCATIONS BASED OFF OF PAST CONVERSATIONS WITH PARTIAL PERSONNEL FROM THE DISTRICT.
WHERE WE ARE THINKING ABOUT THE SAFETY FEATURES, AND IT'S BEEN SOMETHING THAT'S VERY MUCH SO AT THE FOREFRONT OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.
THERE'S A RAISED PEDESTRIAN CROSSWALK WITH WHAT WILL HAVE A RAPID RECTANGULAR FLASHING BEACON, BASICALLY A PUSHED ACROSS FOR STUDENTS COMING FROM THE NORTH.
WE'VE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT PUTTING IN A CMU, WHICH IS LIKE A BLOCK SCREEN WALL ALONG THE NEW MODULAR CLASSROOMS THAT WERE BUILT FOR CAM IN 2023.
THAT WOULD BE NOISE REDUCTION, SAFETY, A SEPARATION, BUFFER, AN AESTHETIC THING AS WELL.
THERE'S A POTENTIAL FUTURE WELL HOUSE LOCATION ON HERE, BUT THAT'S JUST PRELIMINARY WHAT IF STUFF.
ALL THE PONDS WOULD BE FENCED.
THEY WOULD TIE INTO EXISTING SCHOOL DISTRICT FENCING.
IT WOULD BE A SEAMLESS MIX BETWEEN WHAT'S ALREADY THERE AND WHAT'S PROPOSED.
THE POND LOCATED TO THE SOUTHWEST ALONG 503, WOULD BE ACCESS FROM WSDOT ROADWAY.
IT WOULD BE A POND SERVING WSDOT ROADWAY.
WSDOT ROADWAY WOULD OWN IT BUT THE CITY WOULD MAINTAIN IT.
YOU CAN SEE THERE IN THE CENTER, WE'VE DRAWN IN WHAT WOULD BE A POTENTIAL AUXILIARY PARKING LOT FOR THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.
WE'VE HEARD FEEDBACK THAT THE SCHOOL FIELDS ARE USED REALLY AS A CITY PARK FACILITY.
PEOPLE COME THERE TO PLAY BASEBALL, SOFTBALL, WHATEVER, ON THE WEEKEND, STUFF LIKE THAT.
WE'VE OUTLINED, WELL, HOW COULD YOU GET MORE PARKING AND MAKE THIS MORE ACCESSIBLE TO THE PUBLIC IF THAT'S SOMETHING THE SCHOOL DISTRICT WOULD ULTIMATELY WANT TO DO.
THAT'S JUST A PRELIMINARY LAYOUT, NOTHING THAT WE'RE PLANNING TO DO WITH THIS PROJECT, AND THE SAME GOES FOR THAT WELL HOUSE.
WE'VE THOUGHT A LOT ABOUT HOW THIS IMPACTS THE FIELD, AND THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF CONCERN ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING AT THE EXISTING SOFTBALL FIELD.
WHAT WE'VE ENVISIONED IS A MINIATURE GREEN GIANT BOSTON RED FX, BUT BASICALLY MAINTAINING THE SAME PLAY ABILITY OF THE FIELD, BUT WITH THE TALLER FENCE AND THE OUTFIELD, SO IT'LL STOP A BALL BASICALLY ON THE SAME TRAJECTORY.
THE DISTRICT HAD ALSO MENTIONED POTENTIALLY A FUTURE SOCCER FIELD LOCATION, AND THAT'S WHAT YOU'LL SEE WITH THE FIFA SIZE SOCCER FIELD.
THAT'S FIFA SIZE DIMENSIONS, AS BIG AS THEY WOULD GO.
IT WOULD FIT HOW THE BLEACHERS FIT, STUFF LIKE THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE WORKED OUT, BUT I THINK THAT THE SHOWS THERE'S AMPLE ROOM.
TRYING TO SEE IF I'VE MISSED ANYTHING ON THIS SLIDE.
NO, I THINK I'LL SAY POND LOCATIONS HAVE BEEN SOMETHING WE'VE WORKED THROUGH A LITTLE BIT WITH CERTAIN PARTIES FROM THE DISTRICT, WHERE THEY'D PREFER THEM, WHERE THEY WOULDN'T.
WHERE POND 3 IS SHOWN, WE'RE LOOKING AT POTENTIALLY THAT MOVING TO THE EASTERN PARCEL.
THERE'S A BLACK LINE DIVIDING THOSE TWO LOTS RIGHT NOW WHICH ARE SCHOOL DISTRICT OWNED, BUT THAT COULD ULTIMATELY SHIFT AROUND A BIT, SO JUST KEEP THAT IN MIND.
I THINK THAT COVERS THIS WELL.
THIS IS THE POTENTIAL EARLY RIGHT AWAY ACQUISITION NUMBERS.
THERE'S A PORTION THAT THE DISTRICT IS ACTUALLY ON THE HOOK FOR THAT WAS BASICALLY WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF CAMS MODULAR CLASSROOMS, YOU AGREED TO DEDICATE THIS PORTION OF RIGHT AWAY, KNOWING THAT THIS WAS A LONGSTANDING PIECE OF THE CITY'S TRANSPORTATION MASTER PLAN.
WHAT GOES ALONG WITH THAT IS POND 2 WHICH WOULD STRICTLY SERVE THIS NEW RIGHT AWAY THAT THE DISTRICT HAS ALREADY DEDICATED SO THE TWO GO HAND IN HAND.
YOU CAN'T HAVE A ROADWAY WITHOUT THE PROPER STORMWATER FACILITY GOING IN.
THAT'S ALL SHOWN IN YELLOW, WHAT'S TO BE DEDICATED BY THE DISTRICT.
IT COMES OUT TO ABOUT 1.39 ACRES.
THE ORANGE IS WHAT THE CITY WILL PURCHASE.
AGAIN, THESE ARE PRELIMINARY NUMBERS.
RIGHT NOW, IT LOOKS LIKE WE'LL PURCHASE AROUND 3.1 ACRES.
THE GREEN LASTLY IS WHAT THE CITY ALREADY OWNS.
I'M NOT SURE WHEN WE PURCHASED THESE, BUT IT'S AT LEAST BEEN FIVE YEARS.
YEAH, I THINK THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO TALK ABOUT ON THIS.
THE STORMWATER BASIN DIVISION LINES ARE ON THERE JUST TO SHOW HOW THINGS ARE DRAINING,
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BUT WE CAN GET INTO THAT IF THERE'S QUESTIONS ABOUT IT.>> OUR CURRENT SCHEDULE DESIGN IS UNDERWAY.
WE'VE ACTUALLY BEEN WORKING ON THE DESIGN FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS NOW.
WE'VE BEEN WORKING THROUGH PERMITTING, THINGS LIKE THAT.
RIGHT AWAY, AND THE REST OF THE DESIGN AND PERMITTING IS PROPOSED TO BE COMPLETED BY THE END OF THIS YEAR TO EARLY NEXT YEAR, AND THEN IN BEST CASE SCENARIO, CONSTRUCTION WOULD BE PROPOSED FOR 2026.
SUMMARIZING WHAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, PROJECT HAS BEEN IN THE PLANS FOR AT LEAST 20 YEARS.
PROJECT IS BEING DESIGNED WITH SAFETY IN MIND.
ULTIMATELY, THE CITY'S ASK OF THE SCHOOL BOARD AND DISTRICT STAFF IS TO PURCHASE THAT NECESSARY RIGHT OF WAY.
DAN AND I ARE NOW HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
>> HAS THERE BEEN A SAFETY STUDY DONE?
>> WE'VE DONE THE TRAFFIC STUDY AS PART OF OUR INITIAL WORK THAT WE'VE DONE.
THEN DAN'S LOOKED AT PART OF HIS JOB AS AN ENGINEER IS TO WORK THROUGH THE SAFETY ASPECTS.
THAT'S PART OF WHY WE'VE, AGAIN, IN CONVERSATION WITH DISTRICT STAFF, HAVE COME UP WITH THE CMU, THE GUARD RAIL, THE RRFB, AND THOSE THINGS.
>> WAS THE ANSWER YES OR I DIDN'T QUITE FOLLOW IT?
>> THE ANSWER IS YES. WE DON'T HAVE A DOCUMENT CALLED SAFETY STUDY, BUT WE CALL IT A TRAFFIC STUDY.
>> DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY STUDENTS WOULD BE TODAY WALKING THROUGH THE FIELD PER DAY?
>> I WOULD REFER TO THE DISTRICT TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION. I DON'T HAVE THOSE NUMBERS.
>> THEN JUST THE PONDS, IS THERE ANY SAFETY CONCERNS WITH PONDS.
I KNOW USUALLY IT'S HIGH SCHOOL KIDS THAT ARE IN THE AREA OF IT.
JUST ANY CONCERNS WITH DROWNING OR JUMPING OVER THE FENCE AND JUMPING IN THE WATER IN THE SUMMER.
>> NO, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. ARE THEY WET PONDS OR?
SO AT ANY ONE TIME, THEY MAY FILL UP, BUT THEY'RE FENCED AND THEN BASICALLY THERE'S REQUIREMENTS WITH STORMWATER PONDS.
HOW STEEP CAN THE PONDS BE THAT SOMEBODY COULD FEASIBLY STILL CLIMB OUT.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LIKE A 30% SLOPE.
THERE'S ONE SIDE OF THE POND THAT'S A 25% SLOPE.
AND AGAIN, USUALLY THESE ARE LIKE A FOOT FULL OF WATER.
>> FOR CLARIFICATION, WHY I ASKED ABOUT THE WET POND.
A WET POND ALWAYS HAS WATER IN IT.
IN SUMMER, YOU MAY GET IT TO EMPTY WHEN IT'S NOT A WET POND IT EMPTIES AFTER THE STORM IS OVER.
DURING YOUR RAIN, YOU'LL DEFINITELY HAVE WATER IN THERE, BUT AS THE RAIN STOPS, THE POND WILL EMPTY.
THEN IT'S SURROUNDED BY A SIX FOOT TALL FENCE AND ALL THE OTHER THINGS.
THE CITY HAS OVER 100 PONDS THAT THE CITY MAINTAINS AND WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY ISSUES.
WE LOCK THEM, FENCE THEM, AND THAT KEEPS PEOPLE OUT FOR THE MOST PART.
>> YOU GUYS WOULD BE MAINTAINING THOSE?
>> YEAH, WE WOULD BE MAINTAINING THEM.
>> DO YOU GUYS HAVE AN APPRAISAL FOR SQUARE FOOT?
>> NO. WE HAVEN'T DONE THE APPRAISAL YET.
WE WANT TO GET LOCKED IN ON THE DESIGN, AND THEN AFTER WE'RE FAIRLY COMFORTABLE THAT EVERYONE BELIEVES THE DESIGN IS THE RIGHT WAY TO GO, THEN WE'LL START THE APPRAISAL.
>> WHAT'S YOUR TIMELINE ON THAT?
>> I FEEL LIKE WE'RE GETTING CLOSE WITH THE DESIGN.
WE WANT TO GET FEEDBACK FROM THE BOARD TO SEE IF WE'RE MISSING ANYTHING.
IF THERE'S NO BIG SURPRISES HERE, THEN WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT APPRAISAL.
I BELIEVE THAT USUALLY TAKES THE LAST I CHECKED IT WAS FOUR TO SIX WEEKS, AND THEN THERE'S SOME PROCESSING OF THAT, SO IT'D BE A COUPLE MONTHS OUT AT LEAST.
>> SOME OF THE FEATURES YOU GOT ON HERE, IT SEEMED TO HAVE ADDRESSED A LOT OF THE QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS WE'VE HAD UP TO THIS POINT.
I THINK THAT, FOR ME, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THAT WHEN THAT FINAL DESIGN IS APPROVED, BEFORE WE MAKE A DECISION, THAT WE MAKE SURE THAT SOME OF THOSE SAFETY FEATURES ARE STILL IN PLACE, LIKE THE RETAINING OR THE SEAM U BLOCK SEPARATION WALLS AND THE GUARD RAILS, THE RAISED CROSSWALKS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
>> WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND FOR YOU IS THERE'S SOMETHING CALLED AN OBLIGATION AGREEMENT.
AS PART OF A REAL ESTATE DEAL, IT'S THE THINGS THAT ARE OUTSIDE THE COST PIECE OF IT.
ESSENTIALLY, THE CITY AGREES THAT WE'LL DO A, B, AND C, AND D AS PART OF THE PURCHASING THE PROPERTY.
THAT WAY YOU WOULD HAVE IT IN WRITING, THAT THOSE THINGS WILL GET DONE.
>> WALK ME THROUGH THE YELLOW AREA, AND KEVIN, MAYBE THIS IS A QUESTION FOR YOU. I DON'T KNOW.
WHAT AGREEMENT DID WE HAVE IN PLACE ON THAT AGAIN THAT YOU GUYS HAVE ACCESS TO THAT?
>> ANYTIME A DEVELOPMENT COMES IN AND CAM ACADE WOULD FALL INTO DEVELOPMENT.
>> IT'S SOMETHING NEW THAT HASN'T EXISTED BEFORE.
THERE'S A REQUIREMENT TO DO A TRAFFIC STUDY.
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IF THERE'S NEW TRIPS THAT ARE CREATED BY THAT PROJECT, THE CITY'S CODE REQUIRES FRONTAGE IMPROVEMENTS AND DEDICATION OF RIGHT OF WAY.WHEN CAM ACADEMY CAME IN, NEW PROJECT, NEW TRIPS, IT ESSENTIALLY TRIGGERED THAT REQUIREMENT TO ACTUALLY BUILD THE FRONTAGE THERE, BECAUSE WE HAD A GRANT IN PLACE, IT DIDN'T MAKE SENSE TO BUILD A CHUNK OF IT AND THEN US BUILD IT BECAUSE WE HAD THE FUNDING FOR IT.
ESSENTIALLY, THE DISTRICT HAS TO DEDICATE THE RIGHT OF WAY FOR THAT PROJECT, AND THAT'S ESSENTIALLY THE YELLOW PIECE, WHICH MEETS YOUR REQUIREMENT FOR BUILDING CAM.
>> THERE'S NOTHING IN WRITING.
PROPOSED SAID IT IN THE FUTURE, DEDICATION.
>> DO YOU AGREE WITH HIM THOUGH ON THAT ASSESSMENT OF THE USE IN THE LAND?
>> I'M SORRY. I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED.
I'M NOT QUITE FOLLOWING THAT CONVERSATION.
WE'RE SAYING WE DID HAVE AN AGREEMENT OR WE'RE SAYING WE DON'T HAVE AN AGREEMENT?
>> THE CITY ISSUED A STAFF REPORT THAT REQUIRED THAT AS PART OF BUILDING CAM.
THE DISTRICT DID NOT FILE ANY APPEAL ON THAT STAFF REPORT.
SO THAT STAFF REPORT STANDS AND IS A REQUIREMENT.
>> THE CITY SAID THAT THE YELLOW AREA NEEDED TO BE DEDICATED FOR THIS PROJECT AND WE DIDN'T RESPOND?
>> IT'S PRETTY TYPICAL FOR THAT TO BE.
THAT WAS GOING TO BE [OVERLAPPING] CONDITION OF THE STAFF REPORT.
>> I THINK THERE WAS A RISK. WELL, I'M NOT SURE HOW TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
>> WE WOULD LIKELY DISPUTE THAT. [OVERLAPPING]
>> FROM OUR CONVERSATIONS WITH KEVIN.
>> TWO THOUSAND AND TWENTY TWO, 2023, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
FOR CLARIFICATION, THE EXACT ALIGNMENT OF THE ROAD WASN'T KNOWN, BUT NEIGHBORHOOD COLLECTOR HAS TO BE DEDICATED, THOSE SORTS OF THINGS.
IT ALLOWED SOME FLEXIBILITY AND FINAL ALIGNMENT, BUT IT VERY MUCH REQUIRED THE RIGHT AWAY DEDICATION.
>> [INAUDIBLE] PLANS DEDICATION.
>> CAN YOU JUST SAY THAT INTO THE MICROPHONE, PLEASE?
>> IT'S SHOWN ON THE PERMITTED PLANS FOR THE MODULAR BUILDINGS.
AS MARK SAID, IT'S TYPICAL WITH ANY DEVELOPMENT, A STAFF REPORT AND CONDITIONS FOR DEVELOPING, BASICALLY.
>> I GUESS I'M JUST NOT THERE YET.
WE'RE GOING TO TALK TO COUNCIL AND SEE WHAT THE LEGALITY IS ON THAT AND SEE WHERE WE STAND AS A DISTRICT, IT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD.
>> I'M CONFUSED ON THE ACREAGE.
DOES THAT MEAN THE ORANGE AND THE YELLOWS ARE ALL A TOTAL OF 3.1 ACRES?
>> I WANT TO KNOW HOW MANY ACRES ACTUALLY IS THE SCHOOL LOSING IN PROPERTY? HOW MUCH PROPERTY ARE WE ACTUALLY GOING TO LOSE TO THIS PROJECT?
>> IT WOULD JUST BE THE COMBINATION OF THE TWO WHICH IS 4.49.
>> THAT INCLUDES THE WATER COLLECTION BASINS AND ALL THAT?
>> A QUESTION ABOUT THE PROJECT ITSELF, THE OVERALL GOAL TO RELIEVE CONGESTION, WHICH OVERSEES 50,000 VEHICLES A DAY.
IF YOUR GOAL FOR 2044 IS THAT YOU ANTICIPATE ONLY 2,650 WILL BE REDUCED FROM THIS ROAD USAGE, HAVE YOU MET THE REMAINING OF YOUR 50,000 INTENDED.
THIS SEEMS LIKE SUCH A SMALL PORTION, IT DOESN'T FEEL LIKE A BIG IMPACT.
I JUST WOULD LIKE TO KNOW MORE ABOUT THAT BECAUSE THIS IS A BIG IMPACT FOR OUR STUDENTS AND STAFF AND DISTRICT, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE A VERY MINOR IMPACT TO YOUR OVERALL PROJECT GOAL, WHICH IS TO RELIEVE 50,000 VEHICLES A DAY.
>> TO CLARIFY, THAT'S THE TRAFFIC THAT GOES THROUGH THE INTERSECTION, WE'RE NOT RELIEVING 50,000 TRIPS, THAT'S THE EXISTING TRIPS.
HONESTLY, THE BIGGEST IMPACT PROJECT WAS THE 503, 502 INTERSECTION.
WE CREATED A BUNCH OF CAPACITY WITH THAT.
BUT WHEN YOU'VE GOT AN INTERSECTION THAT BIG WITH THAT MANY TRIPS, EVERY TRIP HELPS AND SO DEFINITELY THE IMPACT OF THIS PROJECT IS QUITE A BIT LESS THAN THAT PROJECT, BUT IT STILL DOES PROVIDE SOME RELIEF OF THE CONGESTION AT THAT INTERSECTION, ESPECIALLY AS IT CONTINUES TO GROW.
>> COULD YOU ESTIMATE WHAT YOUR GOAL IS? IF IT'S 50,000 A DAY OVERALL, CAN YOU ESTIMATE WHAT THE OTHER PROJECTS HAVE DONE TO REDUCE? I'D JUST LIKE TO COMPARE IT TO WHAT YOUR EXPECTATION IS FOR REDUCTION.
IF YOU'VE DONE A TRAFFIC STUDY, WOULD THAT BE PART OF IT?
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>> THAT WOULD LOOK AT IT, AND HONESTLY, I DON'T HAVE THAT INFO OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT I CAN GET BACK TO YOU WITH THAT INFO.
>> THAT WOULD BE GREAT. THANK YOU.
>> CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT CROSSWALK? BECAUSE I'M JUST CURIOUS IF YOU REALLY UNDERSTAND THE IMPACT OF STUDENTS CROSSING.
WITH CAM, STUDENTS ARE NOT BUSED, SO MANY OF THOSE STUDENTS ARE BEING PICKED UP AT CHIEF TO ALLEVIATE TRAFFIC ON MAIN STREET.
I THINK THIS ROAD IS GOING TO PUSH A LOT MORE OF THAT TRAFFIC BACK TO MAIN STREET.
I'M NOT SURE IF YOU UNDERSTAND HOW MANY STUDENTS ARE USING THAT CROSSWALK AND THE STUDENTS FROM THE HIGH SCHOOL USING THAT FIELD TO GET TO THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS.
TELL ME HOW THAT CROSSWALK IS GOING TO WORK.
YOU SAY AN ELEVATED CROSSWALK IS ACTUALLY GOING TO GO UP OVER SO IT WON'T IMPACT TRAFFIC AT ALL.
>> NO. BY ELEVATED, ESSENTIALLY, IT'S AT CURB LEVEL.
IT'S SIX INCHES UP, AND THEN IT'S GOT THE RRFB.
IF YOU'RE IN OLD TOWN OVER BY BARREL MOUNTAIN BREWING, THE CITY SEVERAL YEARS AGO PUT THAT, THAT'S AN RRFB.
IT ESSENTIALLY HAVE THAT ANYONE USING THE CROSSWALK WOULD HAVE HITS THE BUTTON, AND THEY START FLASHING.
>> I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE NUMBERS ON HOW MANY KIDS USE THAT EVERY DAY.
>> WELL, RIGHT NOW, FOR DOING A BUS ROUTE OR DROP OFFS AT CHIEF, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE EVERY SINGLE CAM STUDENT WALKING ACROSS IT UNLESS THAT ROUTE WERE TO CHANGE.
THE TRAFFIC PATTERN WOULDN'T BE WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO STOP AND DO A DROP RIGHT AT THE YELLOW ROAD.
THEY'RE GOING TO COME INTO THE PARKING RIGHT HERE AT LEWISVILLE AND DO A DROP OFF INSTEAD.
THEY WON'T EVEN BE USING THAT ROAD.
>> WELL, WHAT I'M SAYING IS NOW CHIEF IS OUR DROP OFF.
>> FOR CAM. THEN THEY WOULD ALL COME DOWN TO LEWISVILLE. THEY ALL [OVERLAPPING]
>> IF THEY CONTINUE TO USE CHIEF.
>> THE TUNNEL RIGHT BACK TO MAIN STREET.
>> BECAUSE WE HAVE SUPERVISION IN THE CHIEF PARKING LOT, AND THERE'S NO NEED TO HAVE SUPERVISION RIGHT NOW BECAUSE IT'S AN OPEN FIELD.
I CAN'T TELL YOU IN TERMS OF EXACT NUMBERS, HOW MANY STUDENTS ARE WALKING THROUGH THAT AREA OR THROUGH THAT SOCCER FIELD RIGHT NOW.
>> THERE'S SOME ADDITIONAL TIMES OF THE DAY, TOO.
BEYOND CAM, WE HAVE STUDENTS FROM OUR ASPIRE CLASSROOMS TAKING COURSES AT BATTLE GROUND HIGH SCHOOL, FIRST PERIOD THAT ARE ADVANCED STUDENTS THAT ARE TAKING HIGH SCHOOL CREDIT.
THERE'S OTHER TIMES THROUGHOUT THE DAY.
IN PLACES ACROSS THE DISTRICT WHERE THERE IS REGULAR MOVEMENT BACK AND FORTH, WE HAVE CROSSING GUARDS SO THAT'S AN IMPLICATION FOR US AS WELL.
>> THOSE ARE NOT VOLUNTEERS. [OVERLAPPING]
>> WE WOULD NEED TO ADD A CROSSING GUARD [OVERLAPPING] THAT WOULD BE DISTRICT.
>> A SUMMARY OF THAT FROM WHAT I UNDERSTOOD, I JUST HEARD IS THAT WE REALLY DON'T HAVE ANY REAL SOLID IDEA OF HOW MANY KIDS USE THAT AREA, NOR DO YOU FOLKS?
>> NO, AGAIN, [OVERLAPPING] WE'D RELY ON THAT DISTRICT.
>> SUMMARY AND THE OTHER ELEMENT THAT IS, WE REALLY DON'T HAVE MANY CARS ARE GOING TO USE THAT EITHER.
YOU HAVEN'T DONE A PROJECTION ON THE VEHICLES THAT ARE GOING TO GO THROUGH THERE?
>> YOU JUST DON'T HAVE THE NUMBERS?
>> NO. THAT WAS THE NUMBER THAT WAS REPORTED THE 2000.
>> THEY DON'T HAVE THE NUMBERS OF THE OVERALL REDUCTION OF THE PROJECT THAT THE OTHER PROJECTS THEY'VE COMPLETED SO FAR.
>> I'M LOOKING FOR DATA AND I'M SEEING IT SEEMS LIKE I'M NOT GETTING A LOT A THING, SO THAT'S A CONCERN THAT I'M HAVING.
>> ON THE FUNDING SIDE OF IT, THE 7.7 MILLION IN GRANT, IF I UNDERSTOOD YOU CORRECTLY, A PORTION OF THAT WAS CARVED OUT FOR THE OTHER PROJECTS.
>> HOW MUCH OF THAT GRANT DO YOU HAVE REMAINING FOR THIS PORTION OF THE PROGRAM?
>> WITH THE INTERSECTION AT 15TH STILL IN PLAY, WE DON'T HAVE A FINAL NUMBER, BUT WE SHOULD HAVE AT LEAST PROBABLY TWO AND A HALF MILLION FOR THIS.
THEN THE CITY HAS OTHER FUNDS THAT CAN BE USED FOR IT AS WELL.
>> DOES THAT TWO AND A HALF WOULD INCLUDE LAND ACQUISITION ON THE WAY [INAUDIBLE] CORRECT?
>> I BUILD ROADS FOR A LIVING, SO I'M LOOKING AT THIS ROAD AND I'M THINKING ABOUT THE MAGNITUDE OF CONSTRUCTION, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU GUYS HAVE THE FUNDS YET.
>> NO, FROM GRANT PERSPECTIVE, I AGREE, I THINK WE'RE GOING TO BE SHORT, BUT WE HAVE OTHER TRAFFIC IMPACT FEES AND THOSE SORTS OF THINGS.
>> DO YOU HAVE A MAGNITUDE OR AN ESTIMATED COST?
>> WE DON'T HAVE AN APPRAISAL YET.
>> NOW, LIKE I SAID, WE WANT TO SETTLE ON THE DESIGN BEFORE WE START THAT.
>> I MAY THEN, BECAUSE THAT'S THE THING THAT REALLY CONCERNS ME.
THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'M REALLY HEARING ABOUT THIS AND YOU GENTLEMEN HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR 20 YEARS?
>> WHO'S BEEN WORKING ON IT FOR 20 YEARS?
>> NO ONE'S BEEN WORKING ON 20 YEARS.
WHAT I SAID WAS IT'S BEEN IN OUR TRANSPORTATION PLAN FOR 20 YEARS.
>> DAN, HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN WORKING ON IT?
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>> I'VE BEEN [INAUDIBLE] AT THE CITY FOR OVER A YEAR AND A HALF.
>> ABOUT HOW LONG I'VE BEEN ON THE BOARD HERE.
>> YEAH. WHEN I PICTURED THERE WASN'T A LOT THAT HAD BEEN DONE TO DATE OR THERE WERE ALIGNMENTS INSTEAD BUT REALLY THE DETAILS HAVE BEEN BEING WORKED OUT THIS LAST YEAR.
>> I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS ALL ABOUT CONGESTION AT THAT MAJOR INTERSECTION.
NOW, NOBODY SAID ANYTHING ABOUT THIS ROAD COMING OUT THROUGH HERE AND JUST BEING TO GO NORTH.
DO I UNDERSTAND THAT CORRECTLY, THAT THIS IS JUST TO GET TRAFFIC TO GO NORTH.
THAT'S ALL WE'RE PLANNING ON THIS ROAD DOING IS?
>> YEAH. EXACTLY, WHAT'S HAPPENING AT 503 IS IT'S SOMETHING THAT HAS TO BE WORKED OUT WITH [INAUDIBLE]
>> NOBODY WILL BE USING THIS ROAD TO GO SOUTH?
>> YEAH. IT OPENS UP A CHANNEL RIGHT.
YOU COULD BE COMING UP 503, GETTING ON THIS ROAD AND THEN GOING SOUTH [OVERLAPPING]
>> THIS IS ALONG ABOUT THE SEVENTH STREET LINE RIGHT HERE, IS THAT CORRECT?
>> SEVENTH STREET IS JUST TO THE NORTH.
>> I'M GOING TO GO WEST ON SEVENTH STREET, AND I'M GOING TO COME OUT HERE TO 100 AND WHATEVER THAT IS.
I'M ONLY GOING TO BE ABLE TO GO NORTH, IS THAT CORRECT?
>> [INAUDIBLE] YEAH. THAT 503, IT'S A RIGHT AND RIGHT OUT.
GOING WESTBOUND, YOU WOULD GO NORTH. [INAUDIBLE]
>> THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO USE THIS OR THE PEOPLE DOWN ON MAIN STREET.
WHAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING TO ME IS, I'M LOOKING AT THE MAP OF MAIN STREET, AND I DON'T SEE ANY WAY TO GET TO THIS STREET UNLESS I TURN AT THE HIGH SCHOOL.
I'M ON MAIN STREET, AND INSTEAD OF GOING TO THE INTERSECTION, YOU'RE SUGGESTING THAT I'M GOING TO TURN RIGHT AT THE HIGH SCHOOL AND GO UP TO SEVENTH STREET, AND THEN I'M GOING TO TURN LEFT AND GO THROUGH THESE PROPERTIES SO THAT I CAN GO NORTH ON 503.
>> YEAH, IT CONNECTS TO NORTH PARKWAY.
>> BUT I THINK THAT'S WHAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT.
THE OTHER THING THAT'S NOT SHOWN IN THIS PICTURE IS THAT OSDORF AND 503, THERE'S GOING TO BE A ROUNDABOUT, WHICH IS 1,500 FEET TO THE NORTH.
THAT'S A WHOLE ANOTHER MODE OF OPERATION.
>> WHY WOULDN'T I JUST GO AHEAD AND GO ALL THE WAY UP TO [INAUDIBLE] [OVERLAPPING].
>> WHY AM I GOING TO CUT THROUGH THE SCHOOL PROPERTY [OVERLAPPING]?
>> YOU'RE COMING DOWN MAINE AND YOU DON'T WANT TO GO TO 502, 503.
>> BUT A TRAFFIC NETWORK IS ALL ABOUT MULTIPLE MODES OF WHAT CAN I DO? WHAT CAN A DRIVER DO, WHAT DECISION CAN THEY MAKE?
>> I CAN AVOID GOING THROUGH THE SCHOOL PROPERTY AND ALL THE STUFF GOING ON THERE AND I CAN GO NORTH UP TO OSDORF, WHICH IS A MUCH OBVIOUSLY IN MY OPINION, WHY DON'T WE MAKE THAT A MAJOR THOROUGHFARE INSTEAD OF GOING THROUGH THE SCHOOL PROPERTY? I'M JUST TRYING TO GET MY MIND AROUND THE THINKING HERE.
>> UNDERSTOOD. I THINK ONE THING I'LL HIGHLIGHT IS LIKE WE DON'T JUST MAKE THESE DECISIONS AND RUN WITH THEM.
WE HAVE TRAFFIC CONSULTANTS THAT COME ON AND ANALYZE THINGS.
IT'S A REDISTRIBUTION OF TRIPS, A BETTER FUNCTIONALITY OF THE NETWORK, OPTIONS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
IF YOU LOOK AT IT, IT'S LIKE ON A BLOCK BASIS, THERE'S NOTHING BETWEEN OSDORF AND MAINE TO GO EAST WEST.
THIS IS ANOTHER CONNECTION EAST WEST.
>> WELL, THEN THERE'S ANOTHER CONCERN THERE, AND THAT IS, IS THIS AN EXTENSION THAT'S GOING TO GO FURTHER EAST AND BRING MORE TRAFFIC IN? > NO, EAST OF PARKWAY, IT'S ALL BUILT OUT, SO WHEN IT SUSPECTED.
>> THERE'S NO WAY THAT THIS IS GOING TO GO ANY FURTHER EAST.
THIS STREET IS ONLY GOING TO BE RIGHT THERE FROM THERE TO THE 503.
>> IT'S AT AN INTERSECTION, SO THERE IS A ROAD THAT GOES EAST, BUT IT WON'T CHANGE FROM WHAT EXISTS NOW.
>> YOU'RE SUGGESTING THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE ANALYZING THESE NUMBERS.
WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME THEY ANALYZED THESE NUMBERS?
>> THEIR RECOMMENDATION WAS PUT A STREET THROUGH HERE BECAUSE OF THE NUMBERS OF PEOPLE YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE OUT OF THAT INTERSECTION DOWN THERE AT 503 AND MAIN STREET.
>> WE'VE HAD THE SAME TRAFFIC CONSULTANT ON FOR A LOT OF THESE PROJECTS, I BELIEVE.
YEAH, HE'S BEEN LOOKING AT THE NETWORK IN GENERAL.
WHAT'S THIS PROJECT GOING TO GET YOU? WHAT'S THIS PROJECT GOING TO GET YOU? A BIG PART OF THAT IS WHAT HAPPENS AT THIS PROPOSED STREET IN 503.
>> THIS IS A REPORT THAT WE COULD LOOK AT?
>> BECAUSE WHAT I'M HEARING FOR THE FIRST TIME IS WE'RE WAITING FOR US TO APPROVE THE DESIGN SO THAT YOU GUYS CAN MOVE FORWARD NOW THE NEXT TWO MONTHS AND PUT TOGETHER YOUR APPRAISAL.
YOU SEE I'M FEELING A LITTLE BIT OF PRESSURE HERE.
YOU WANT ME TO APPROVE A DESIGN THAT I'M JUST SAYING RIGHT NOW AND I'M SAYING, I'M LOOKING AT MAN, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON HERE AT ALL.
>> NO, WE DON'T WANT YOU TO APPROVE DESIGN.
WE JUST WANT YOU TO PROVIDE FEEDBACK TO SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING MISSING.
>> WELL, I FEEL LIKE WHAT'S MISSING IS THE IDEA THAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND THIS AND WHY WE'RE GOING TO DO IT, SO I WOULD REALLY LOVE TO HEAR MORE THAN JUST 30 MINUTES TODAY.
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>> I'M JUST GOING TO CHIME IN, TERRY.
ANY TIME A BOARD MEMBER FOR THE DISTRICT HAS ATTENDED ONE OF THESE PLANNING SESSIONS, THEY HAVE COME BACK AND SHARED IT DURING THE BOARD MEETING.
THIS ISN'T THE FIRST TIME YOU'VE HEARD ABOUT IT.
I JUST WANT TO BE TRANSPARENT THAT WE'VE ATTENDED, I'VE ATTENDED SOME OF THESE MEETINGS WITH THE CITY, AND I HAVE ALWAYS SHARED IN TRANSPARENCY WHAT HAS BEEN TALKED ABOUT.
IS IT CLEAR IN HOW WE BROUGHT OUT MAPS AND DATA? NO, BUT WE HAVE DISCUSSED IT.
>> I'M SORRY. YOU'RE RIGHT. I STAND CORRECTED.
>> JACKIE DID TELL ME THAT YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN TALKING WITH PEOPLE ABOUT THIS.
I'VE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING ON IT IN MAPS.
>> I DID ASK FOR THIS PRESENTATION, SO THANK YOU FOR LAST YEAR WHEN WE MET AS PART OF INFORMING THE WHOLE BOARD OF WHAT WE WERE LEARNING ABOUT.
I WANT TO BE CLEAR ON THAT THAT WE'RE ALL DOING OUR PARTS TO MAKE SURE WE CAN ALL BE THERE AT A MEETING BECAUSE WE WOULD HAVE A QUORUM.
>> JUST FOR THE PUBLIC AND THE CITIZENS, IF ANYBODY'S WONDERING WHY WE WOULDN'T ALL ATTEND.
NOT TO MENTION, WE JUST DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY.
>> THAT DOESN'T MITIGATE MY CONCERN THAT I'M BEING ASKED TO PASS APPROVAL ON SOMETHING THAT I DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND.
>> THERE IS NO APPROVAL AT THIS POINT.
THIS IS JUST A WORK SESSION TO LEARN MORE.
ASKING TO LEARN MORE IS A FANTASTIC WAY TO DO IT, BUT THERE'S NOTHING THAT'S GETTING APPROVED TONIGHT.
>> WELL, THEY'RE SAYING THAT THEY'RE WANTING US TO GIVE THEM QUESTIONS ABOUT THEIR PLAN SO THEY CAN PUSH THIS THING FORWARD.
>> YES. PLEASE CONTINUE TO ASK QUESTIONS.
THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING I JUST WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR THERE'S NOTHING BEING APPROVED TODAY.
>> WELL, MY CONCERNS AND MY QUESTIONS ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
THE QUESTIONS INFORM MY CONCERNS.
I'M ASKING THE CONCERN-LIKE QUESTIONS BECAUSE I WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON SO I CAN TELL THEM WHAT MY CONCERNS ARE.
>> TERRY, IF I UNDERSTAND YOU CORRECTLY, WELL, YOUR GOAL HERE IS TO TRY TO HAVE THEM HELP YOU UNDERSTAND OR DEFINE HOW THIS HELPS OR IS IN THE PUBLIC'S INTEREST?
>> WHY ARE WE GOING TO UMTUCH WITH THIS?
>> EXACTLY. AGAIN, I THINK THAT THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE ASKING, AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT HE'S ASKING YOU GUYS TO VALIDATE US, HOW DOES THIS ACTUALLY MEET THE PUBLIC INTEREST BECAUSE THERE ARE ALTERNATIVE ROUTES.
FRANKLY, I THINK WE'VE ALREADY ALLEVIATED SOME OF THAT TRAFFIC JUST BY MOVING CAM.
NOW WE'RE COMING INTO THIS SIDE ANYWAY.
I THINK THAT'S THE QUESTION IF I'M RIGHT.
>> THANK YOU, JACKIE. THANK YOU, TED.
YES. THAT'S EXACTLY MY CONCERNS.
IT JUST DOESN'T SEEM TO REALLY MAKE SENSE TO ME.
>> AGAIN, THIS IS PART OF THE DESIGN PROCESS, THIS IS YOUR FIRST TOUCH.
WE TAKE ALL THAT FEEDBACK, GO BACK AND THEN CAN ANSWER SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS.
>> IS THERE A PLAN B? IF YOU'RE TRYING TO GET TRAFFIC OUT OF THAT INTERSECTION AND THIS IS YOUR PROPOSAL, WAS THERE ANOTHER PROPER IDEA?
>> I'M SORRY. IS THERE A PLAN B? IS THERE ANOTHER OPTION TO GETTING THAT TRAFFIC OFF OF THAT INTERSECTION?
>> IT'S 50,000 CARS OR WHATEVER IT WAS?
>> CORRECT. WE HAD THE SIX PROJECTS AND THIS IS ONE OF THEM.
THERE ISN'T AN ALTERNATE TO THIS PARTICULAR PHASE.
>> WE JUST LOSE A LITTLE BIT OF THE CARS HERE FOR SOMETHING? THE COUNT WOULDN'T BE ENOUGH FOR SOMETHING? UNDERSTOOD.
>> FOR ME, I'M NOT CONVINCED THAT EVEN THE SAFETY MEASURES THAT ARE ON THIS MAP ARE ENOUGH.
I'VE DRIVEN IN HERE TO COME TO MEETINGS AT DIFFERENT TIMES OF THE DAY AND THE KIDS DON'T PAY ATTENTION.
I WOULD BE VERY CONCERNED FOR THEIR SAFETY.
>> I THINK TO DEBBIE'S POINT TOO, AND SPECIFICALLY, EVEN ON THAT MAIN ROAD WHERE WE JUST HAVE A GUARD RAIL SEPARATING THOSE FIELDS, I UNDERSTAND THE 20 FOOT FENCE.
I THINK THAT'S GREAT, CAN STOP THE BALLS AND EVERYTHING, BUT IF THAT'S A SOCCER FIELD, A GUARD RAIL IN MY MIND, IS NOT ADEQUATE ENOUGH TO STOP A SOCCER BALL OR A KID JUST JUMPING OVER IT AND RUNNING INTO THE STREET.
I THINK THAT WOULD ACTUALLY NEED TO BE AT A MINIMUM A SIX FOOT CHAIN LINK FENCE AND A GUARD RAIL FOR VEHICLE, SOME CRASH BARRIER, OR WHATNOT.
BUT TO NOT PUT A FENCE THERE, THAT'S A NON STARTER FOR ME.
THE OTHER QUESTION I WOULD HAVE IS YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR YEARS, AND I CAN APPRECIATE IT, AND AS WELL AS IT'S BEEN IN THE CITY'S PLAN, BUT THE END OF THE DAY, THIS IS STILL DISTRICT PROPERTY, IT'S PUBLIC PROPERTY, AND IF WE GET TO THE POINT WHERE WE DON'T FEEL THAT THIS IS IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE DISTRICT, WHAT'S YOUR NEXT COURSE OF ACTION? DO YOU ABANDON THE PROJECT OR YOU GO A DIFFERENT ROUTE?
>> THERE'S ALWAYS SEVERAL OPTIONS THAT WE CAN CHOOSE.
WE WOULD HAVE TO TALK WITH OUR COUNCIL AND FIGURE OUT WHICH WAY THEY WANT TO GO.
LIKE YOU SAID, ABANDONMENT COULD BE ONE.
THERE'S SEVERAL THAT ARE AVAILABLE.
WE WOULD HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THEY WANT TO DO.
>> WE JUST NEED TO KNOW THAT SO THAT BECAUSE WE'RE HERE IN THE BEHALF OF THE PUBLIC.
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WE KNOW THAT THEY'RE GOING TO WANT THOSE ANSWERS, SO LET'S GET THOSE TOGETHER.>> I THOUGHT AT ONE POINT IN ONE OF THE PLANNING SESSIONS TOO, AND TED, MAYBE YOU REMEMBER THIS, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT JUST BEING GUARD RAIL WASN'T SAFETY ENOUGH FOR STUDENTS AND THAT WE TALKED ABOUT A WALL NOT EVEN A CHAIN LINK FENCE, BUT A WALL.
>> IT WAS ALSO BE NOISE DETERRENT.
>> I UNDERSTOOD THAT TO BE SPECIFIC IN FRONT OF THE CAM CLASSROOMS.
>> WE TALKED ABOUT THE SCREEN WALL, AND WE DID IMPLEMENT THAT.
I THINK IF YOU CAN CLICK BACK, THE FENCING IS NOT FULLY SHOWN ON HERE.
I'M NOT ENVISIONING A SINGLE THING THAT'S UNFENCED.
I THINK LIKE THE CROSSWALK, THERE'S GOT TO BE SOME BREAK IN A FENCE, A GATE, SOMETHING, BUT I'M NOT ENVISIONING LEAVING ANY OF THE FIELDS OPEN, BECAUSE THERE'S GOING TO BE A 10 FOOT PUBLIC SIDEWALK ALONG THIS SOUTH SIDE.
WHATEVER METHOD WE WANT TO SEPARATE SCHOOL VERSUS PUBLIC, I'M ENVISIONING FULL FENCE.
I AGREE THAT'S NOT SHOWN HERE AS BEST AS IT COULD BE.
>> KEVIN, WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON THE REMAINING SQUARE FOOTAGE ON THE FIELD? IS THAT ADEQUATE TO MEET THE FUTURE NEEDS?
IT'S WITHIN GUIDELINES, BUT IT'S NOT MAX.
>> TED, I APPRECIATE THAT QUESTION BECAUSE THAT SPEAKS TO ANOTHER ELEMENT OF MY CONCERNS.
I DRIVE BY AND SEE ALL THAT PROPERTY AND I THINK ABOUT ALL THE PROPERTY WE HAVE AND THE FUTURE USE WE MIGHT USE IT FOR.
I'VE NEVER SAT IN ANY KIND OF A MEETING WHERE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT FUTURE USE, KEVIN, AND THAT'S EXCELLENT THAT YOU CAN SPEAK TO THAT BECAUSE I WOULD HATE TO THINK THAT THIS WOULD IMPACT FUTURE USE IDEAS THAT WE'VE HAD IN OUR MINDS FOR A LONG TIME.
NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN, WE CAN'T DO THAT.
IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN MAYBE WE NEED TO SIT AND TALK ABOUT THAT.
>> THE AREA WHERE THE POND IS AND THE POTENTIAL PUMP HOUSE AND THE PARKING LOT, IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT FACILITY, WE HAD PURCHASED SOME PARCELS OF LAND OVER THERE, WHAT? IN THE LAST 15 YEARS.
>> IN PRELIMINARY DISCUSSIONS, WE ALWAYS HAD PLANS OF TURNING THAT INTO SOME KIND OF FIELD, WHETHER IT BE BASEBALL, SOFTBALL FIELDS, OR ANOTHER SOCCER FIELD.
I THINK IN ALL OF OUR DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THE ROAD EARLY ON, WE KNEW THAT THERE WAS A POTENTIAL FOR THE ROAD.
THAT LARGE PORTION OF LAND SURPRISED US THAT IT WAS THAT BIG THAT WE WERE LOSING. I CAN SAY TO THAT.
THE OTHER THING THAT IS SIGNIFICANT IS THE ROAD AS IT PASSES THROUGH LEWISVILLE, WE'LL LOSE A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF FIELD THERE THAT IS USED FOR BOTH CHIEF MIDDLE SCHOOL, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, IT'S USED ON THE WEEKENDS BY A LOT OF COMMUNITY SPORTS TEAMS.
>> TO YOUR POINT, THAT EVEN THE HIGH SCHOOLS USE IT THROUGHOUT THE WEEK.
>> THAT'S THE FRESHMAN SOCCER FIELD OVER THERE.
>> HOW MUCH WOULD IT REDUCE THOSE FIELDS?
>> IT'S A 60 FOOT EASEMENT, SO I'D IMAGINE 100 FEET OR SO WOULD BE AFFECTED FROM THE EDGE OF THE BUILDING.
>> THEY TALKED ABOUT THE PONDS.
SOME OF THOSE PONDS ALREADY EXIST.
>> NO. THOSE ARE NEW PONDS FOR THERE.
>> WE HAVE A POND OUTSIDE OF THE BASEBALL.
YOU CAN SEE IT ON THE BOTTOM OF THE PARKING LOT.
YOU SEE THAT LITTLE BLACK SHADED AREA.
THAT'S A POND THAT WE ADDED WHEN WE BUILT CAM.
>> THEN WE HAVE ANOTHER POND NORTH, AROUND THE CORNER WHERE CHIEF MIDDLE SCHOOL STARTS.
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THERE'S ANOTHER POND THERE.THAT'S WHAT WE ADDED WHEN WE BUILT CHIEF.
BUT THE THREE PONDS THAT ARE SHOWN THERE, THE ONE WITH THE THE PUMP STATION AND THE PARKING LOT, THE ONE UP ABOVE LEWISVILLE, AND THEN THE ONE ON THE SIDE ON TO THE BOTTOM OF LEWISVILLE, WOULD ALL BE NEW PONDS.
>> I'LL SAY, KEVIN, IT'S ACTUALLY A 46 FOOT RIGHT AWAY.
IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN 60 AT ONE POINT.
IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN 60 WITH WHAT? YOU WERE ON THE HOOK TO DEDICATE WHEN YOU DID THE CAM CLASSROOMS, BUT IT'S BEEN REVISED AND MINIMIZED AS WE'VE GONE THROUGH DESIGN.
WE DID LOOK AT EXPANDING THE POND THAT WAS PUT IN, OR I'M NOT SURE IF IT WAS NEW, WITH THE CAM CLASSROOMS, I THINK IT WAS.
>> WE DID LOOK AT EXPANDING THAT, BUT IT WOULD TRIGGER A BUNCH OF OTHER ISSUES TO PUT IT SIMPLY.
AGAIN, THE PARKING LOT IS NOT SOMETHING WE'RE PROPOSING.
IT'S JUST THERE FOR VISUAL USE OF SPACE MAYBE.
THEN POND 3, AGAIN, WE TOOK FEEDBACK IN FROM THE DISTRICT, WHERE IT MIGHT BETTER BE SUITED AND WE'RE LOOKING AT POTENTIALLY MOVING THAT TO THE EAST AND SKINNING IT UP.
>> COULD YOU CLARIFY THE PUMP STATION?
>> BASICALLY, THE CITY NEEDS A NEW WELL HOUSE AT SOME POINT AND WE'VE BEEN TARGETING SEVERAL DIFFERENT LOCATIONS.
THAT WAS DONE SCHEMATICALLY WITH THE PARKING LOT HOUSE.
>> YOU WOULD TAKE THAT LAND, BUT YOU MIGHT OR MIGHT NOT BUILD A PUMP STATION THERE?
>> CORRECT. WE WOULD TAKE ONE WHOLE PARCEL AND THEN THE OTHER PARCEL PORTION [OVERLAPPING], YOU COULD STILL [INAUDIBLE].
>> WE COULD USE FOR THE PARKING LOT.
>> I THINK I HEARD YOU SAY YOU'VE BEEN IN THIS PROCESS SINCE 2005.
>> [NOISE] THE CITY HAS AN OVERALL ARCHING TRANSPORTATION PLAN.
IT'S EVERY CITY OR EVERY STREET IN THE CITY THAT'S GOING TO BE LOOKED AT IN 20 YEARS.
THIS HAS BEEN IN THAT PLAN SINCE 2005, BUT IT HAS NOT BEEN DESIGNED OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT FOR THAT LONG.
>> THIS PLAN TO PUT THIS ROAD THROUGH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT PROPERTY HAS BEEN IN THAT PLAN SINCE 2005?
>> THE OLDEST PLAN I COULD FIND WAS THE 2005, AND IT WAS IN THERE AT THAT TIME.
I'M JUST NOT SURE IF IT WAS IN THERE BEFORE, BUT DEFINITELY WAS IN THE 2005 PLAN.
>> I HAVE BEEN ON THE BOARD, WHAT, 3.5, ALMOST FOUR YEARS.
WHEN DID YOU START TALKING TO US? BECAUSE I WAS AWARE OF IT FOR SOME PERIOD OF TIME, BUT WHEN DID YOU ACTUALLY START WORKING WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT ON THIS?
>> [NOISE] IT WAS PART OF THE GRANT OR WAS ESSENTIALLY A GRANT OR THAT FUNDING PROGRAM THAT WE RECEIVED, I BELIEVE IN 2016, IS WHAT I SAID.
WE KNEW ABOUT IT THEN, BUT IT WAS ALWAYS THE LAST PHASE OF THE PROJECT.
WE HAD BEEN WORKING THROUGH THE OTHERS, I THINK MAYBE A YEAR AND A HALF, TWO YEARS FOR MEETING WITH THE SCHOOL.
>> THE FIRST ONE WAS IN MARCH.
>> ABOUT A YEAR, A YEAR AND A HALF, BEEN REFINING THE DESIGN, THOSE SORTS OF THINGS.
>> I JUST HAVE TO SAY THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'VE SEEN AN ACTUAL PLAN.
I JUST CAN'T IMAGINE HOW YOU COULD FIND A PLACE THAT WOULD BE MORE IMPACTED IN TERMS OF STUDENTS AND SAFETY AND THE NUMBER OF FAMILIES THAT USE THAT WHOLE SPACE.
I'M THINKING LIKE TERRY, ON STORE PHASE GOES THROUGH AND IT'S SO CLOSE.
IT SEEMS LIKE THIS IS A HUGE PROJECT TO PUT A LOT OF IMPACT ON KIDS AND SAFETY.
I GUESS I'M HAVING A HARD TIME WITH THAT.
>> I APPRECIATE THAT. JACKIE, LIKE WE SAID, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT, BUT I'VE NEVER SEEN A PLAN.
APPARENTLY, TO ME, IT'S MIND BOGGLING THAT THIS IS ALL ABOUT JUST GETTING TRAFFIC OUT OF 503 MAIN STREET.
THIS JUST IS TO HAVE PEOPLE DRIVE AROUND TO GO TO ANOTHER STREET SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO GO.
THE ASSUMPTION IS THEY'RE GOING TO DO THAT SAY AND I DON'T THINK THAT SOUNDS LIKE A VERY SOUND ASSUMPTION AT ALL.
I THINK THEY'RE GOING TO GO TO ARMS DOOR.
THIS SEEMS LIKE A LOT FOR A PROJECTION THAT'S A LONG REACH, IN MY OPINION.
>> I'M INTERESTED IF KEVIN HAS OTHER THOUGHTS.
>> I'VE BEEN IN DISCUSSIONS WITH WITH THE CITY REGARDING THIS FOR,
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I WOULD SUPPOSE TEN YEARS A WHILE BACK, THE SCHOOL BOARD MADE A PRESENT THE CITY COUNCIL MADE A PRESENTATION IN THIS ROOM TO TO THE BOARD, WHICH NEVER WENT ANYWHERE.I HAVE NEVER GIVEN MUCH SUPPORT TO THE CONCEPT OF THE PROJECT.
>> I DON'T HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS.
I THINK I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SEE SOME MORE DATA.
I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO KNOW THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC OVERALL THAT'S BEEN REDUCED SO FAR BY THE OTHER PROJECTS TO SEE IN WHAT CAPACITY THAT THE EXPECTATION 19 YEARS FROM NOW TO GET 200, 600, MORE CARS RE-ROUTED WOULD IMPACT.
SOMEHOW, I THINK WE NEED TO KNOW THE CAPACITY, AND I REALIZE WE DON'T REALLY WANT TO HAVE A LOT OF BUDGET TO DO THIS, BUT WE NEED SOME NUMBERS OF STUDENTS WHO MIGHT BE CROSSING OVER.
I THINK SOME GOOD POINTS WERE MADE AS WELL.
IF WE'RE DROPPING EVERYBODY AT CHIEF NOW AND THEY'RE WALKING ACROSS, IF YOU TAKE AWAY THAT ACCESS AND THEY JUST COME UP TO LEWISVILLE, IT WAS A REALLY GOOD POINT.
THEY'RE JUST RIGHT BACK ON MAIN STREET.
I THINK HAVING THAT IS THE EXPECTATION THAT GOES INTO PLACE THAT SAYS, NO, YOU CAN'T GO TO CAM VIA MAIN STREET, OR YOU CAN ONLY GO THIS WAY SO THAT WE KEEP CARS OFF THE ROAD.
I DON'T THINK WE DO THAT FOR OUR FAMILIES.
BUT I'M JUST SAYING LIKE, IS THAT THE EXPECTATION? I JUST THINK WE NEED SOME MORE DATA.
I THINK SOME REAL DATA, SOME OF OUR OWN AS WELL.
I THINK WE NEED TO KNOW THE STUDENT BASE THAT'S IMPACTED IF WE COULD GET THAT.
>> ONE THING I WOULD WANT TO KNOW FOR OUR STUDENT TRAVEL PATH TO WHERE THE WALKWAY IS MARKED FOR STUDENTS TO CROSS.
THAT COMES TO THE BACK OF THE BUILDING BESIDE US RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF IT.
IF THERE IS AN INTENTION OF USING THE SPACE BETWEEN CAM AND THE LEWISVILLE CAMPUS, WE WOULD BE PUTTING STUDENTS AND TRAFFIC TOGETHER.
IF NOT, STUDENTS WOULD HAVE TO COME THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF LEWISVILLE, WHICH IS CURRENTLY IS LOCKED, IS A SPACE THAT'S NOT A NORMAL WALKWAY FOR OUR STUDENTS.
THAT WOULD BE IMPACTED, WHICH WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD NEED TO DISCUSS AND HOW THAT WOULD IMPACT BECAUSE THERE WOULD BE AN IMPACT OF WHERE WE PUT KIDS.
>> SHELLY ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT WHERE THEY WOULD COME ACROSS AND THEY WOULD HAVE TO, AND THEN ACROSS THAT OTHER APPROACH RIGHT THERE?
>> IT LOOKS TO ME LIKE IT'S IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT BUILDING.
>> THE QUESTION WOULD BE, IF THAT REMAINS THERE, CURRENTLY, STUDENTS WALK AROUND THE OUTSIDE AND ALONG THAT SIDE THERE.
BUT IF THAT'S GOING TO BE WHERE TRAFFIC IS GOING TO.
>> ARE YOU SAYING YOU'D LIKE TO SEE THE CROSSWALK ALIGN A LITTLE BETTER WITH THE STREET THERE?
>> BUT IF THAT'S GOING TO BE A STREET, HOW IS IT GOING TO REMAIN SAFE FOR STUDENTS? ARE THEY GOING TO BE WALKING RIGHT NEXT TO BUSES THAT ARE COMING? MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT BUSES WOULD ACTUALLY USE THIS ROUTE TO GET OUT TO 503 AND HEAD NORTH.
IF THAT'S ACCURATE YOU'RE PUTTING STUDENTS RIGHT NEXT TO BUSES.
I WOULD JUST WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE STUDENT TRAFFIC FLOW PLAN WOULD BE IN THAT SITUATION.
>> FOR CLARIFICATION, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS, THE BUSES WOULD COME THROUGH BASICALLY THE LEWISVILLE PARKING LOT AND THEN ACCESS THAT DISTANCE.
AS I'M SEEING THIS WALKWAY HERE, THAT COMES TO THE MIDDLE.
CURRENTLY STUDENTS WALK ALONG THIS AREA.
BUT THERE ARE NO BUSES OR TRANSPORTATION ALONG THIS AREA CURRENTLY.
MY QUESTION IS WHERE ARE THE STUDENTS GOING TO BE DIVIDED FROM THE TRAFFIC?
>> YOU'D HAVE A WHOLE ANOTHER CROSSWALK SITUATION.
UNLESS YOU WERE TO SHIFT THE WHOLE CROSSWALK MORE EAST ACROSS THE EAST FIELD AND DOWN STRAIGHT INTO CAMP.
>> MIKE, BEING TRUTHFUL ON THIS, IT JUST TO ME, SOUNDS A LITTLE BIT LIKE YOU'VE SAID A COUPLE OF TIMES, WELL, THE SCHOOL NEEDS TO TAKE THE RESPONSIBILITY TO FIGURE THAT ALL OUT KIND OF THING.
IT SEEMS LIKE WE NEED TO BE WORKING TOGETHER A LITTLE BIT MORE BECAUSE THAT SEEMS RATHER SIGNIFICANT TO ME.
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AND THOSE STUDIES NEED TO BE DONE.THOSE STUDIES NEED TO BE HAPPENING KIND OF THING.
>> WELL, I MEAN, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS IS, HOW MANY BUSES ARE WE ACTUALLY GOING TO BE PULLING UP THERE NORTH AND I MEAN, BECAUSE THAT WOULD COME INTO THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC ON MAIN STREET.
BUT I THINK THE WHOLE PROJECT IS ASKING FOR A VERY HEAVY LIFT FROM THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, AND I DON'T SEE FOR OUR CONSTITUENTS REALLY THE UPSIDE OF THIS.
>> I'D LIKE TO ADD ONE OTHER ITEM WHEN WE BUILT THE CHIEF ON TUCK SCHOOL.
WE DEDICATED A RIGHT OF WAY ON THE FAR EAST PROPERTY LINE FOR THE PURPOSE OF THIS TRAFFIC FLOW.
IT WAS GOING TO COME DOWN DRIVE RIGHT TOWARDS THE CHIEF.
IF NOTHING ELSE, WE'D WANT THAT EASEMENT BACK THAT WE HAD TO DEDICATE WHEN WE BUILT CHIEF.
BUT THE CONCEPT THEN WAS TO GO DOWN I BELIEVE THAT'S NINTH, GO DOWN NINTH AND TURN LEFT DOWN THIS PROPERTY LINE.
THERE CURRENTLY IS A DEDICATED RIGHT OF WAY TO THE CITY FOR THAT PURPOSE.
>> THANK YOU, KEVIN. WHAT OTHER QUESTIONS DO WE HAVE?
>> AS PART OF OUR DATA, COULD WE HAVE A BETTER MAYBE LIKE A BROADER MAP WITH PROBABLY THE RIGHT ALWAYS THAT ARE ALREADY IN PLACE?
>> I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE TRAFFIC STUDY TOO, IF YOU COULD PROVIDE THAT TO US.
>> DOES THE BOARD HAVE ANY INTEREST IN US DOING SOME WORK ON JUST THE PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC?
>> WE CAN TAKE SOME DATA AND GET SOME NUMBERS ON A TYPICAL DAY.
>> I MEAN, I DON'T IT'S HARD FOR ME TO CONCEPTUALIZE THE LOSS OF FUTURE USE WHEN I DON'T KNOW HOW OUR CITIZENS ARE GOING TO REACT.
I MEAN, IF WE PUT A ROAD IN THERE, FOR INSTANCE, TO YOUR POINTS THAT HAVE BEEN ALREADY MADE, DOES THAT MEAN THAT PARENTS ARE GOING TO STOP DROPPING OFF THEIR KIDS AT CHIEF.
>> BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT FOR CERTAIN WITHOUT DOING SOME.
>> I'M SPEAKING AS SOMEBODY THAT'S IN THAT LINE A LOT, AND I WOULD TELL YOU, NO, I'M GOING TO GO DOWN IN HERE RIGHT OUT HERE TO THIS PARKING LOT, IF MY CHILDREN SPINNING ON THEIR AGE, THAT I'VE WATCHED THE KIDS CROSS.
>> BUT IF YOU'RE COMING NORTH, YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO GET THERE.
>> YOU HAVE TO GO ALL THE WAY DOWN TO MAIN STREET AND CIRCLE BACK.
>> NO, I'M GOING TO USE OSDORF.
>> I WOULD SAY THAT I WHAT I'M NOT INTERESTED IN DOING IS I DON'T WANT TO SEE THE DISTRICT SPENDING ANY FUNDS TRYING TO COME UP WITH SOLUTIONS TO ANY PROBLEMS THAT THIS MIGHT CREATE FOR US.
IN MY MIND, WE DIDN'T CREATE THIS PROBLEM, WHY SHOULD WE SPEND ANY DISTRICT FUNDS TO SOLVE ISSUES RESULTING FROM IT? I FEEL LIKE THESE PROBLEMS SHOULD JUST BE RESOLVED FOR US AND SAY, HEY, HERE'S YOUR OPTIONS AND YOUR SOLUTIONS.
I CAN UNDERSTAND LIKE COLLECTING DATA AND ALL THAT.
THAT'S ONE THING. THAT'S EASY. THAT'S EASY MATH.
BUT I'M NOT INTERESTED IN KEVIN GOING OUT AND CONTRACTING AN ENGINEER AND TRYING TO LOOK AT DESIGN STUDIES, ENGINEERS ARE NOT CHEAP.
>> I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU, TED. BUT IN THE SAME BREATH, I THINK IF THE CITY WERE TO GIVE US DATA ON STUDENT TRAFFIC, WE WOULD WANT TO BACK UP THOSE NUMBERS.
I THINK THE STUFF INTERNALLY THAT WE CAN DO, NOT WITH ENGINEERS OR CONSULTANTS, I THINK.
>> BUT INTERNALLY. I AGREE ON OUR OWN.
>> I JUST DON'T WANT TO SEE US WRITE ANY EXTERNAL CHECKS.
>> I THINK THERE'S FOUR THINGS I CAN THINK OF THAT WE COULD GET RIGHT AWAY.
THE ADDITIONAL COST OF CROSSING GUARDS, WE COULD GET THE IMPACT THROUGH COMMUNITY ED AND OUR PRINCIPALS THAT USE THESE FIELDS TO GET AN IMPACT OF WHAT IT WOULD HAVE ON THIS FIELDS EFFECT.
I THINK WE COULD TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT WOULD BE OUR OPTIONS IN MOVING STUDENTS TO ANOTHER AREA.
I THINK THOSE ARE ALL THINGS THAT WE COULD CERTAINLY LOOK AT, WE COULD ALSO COUNT HOW MANY BUSES TYPICALLY WOULD GO NORTH ON 503.
THOSE FOUR THINGS, I THINK ARE THINGS THAT WE COULD GET REASONABLY EASILY FROM THE DISTRICT.
BUT OTHER THAN THAT, IT WOULD COST MONEY TO GO OUT AND FIND OUT SOME OF THE OTHER PIECES.
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>> THEN ALSO KEVIN MENTIONED THAT THE EASEMENTS THAT ARE ALREADY THERE.
I'D LIKE TO HAVE MORE INFORMATION ON THAT.
I'M SURE YOU HAVE THAT INFORM.
WE DIDN'T HEAR FROM OUR STUDENTS.
>> I ACTUALLY I WASN'T HERE. I WAS LATE.
I WILL SAY AS A STUDENT WHO RAN CROSS COUNTRY, RIGHT THERE, THAT'S LIKE THERE'S A ROUTE CALLED TENNIS LOOP THAT YOU RUN.
ALSO, I WILL COMMENT THAT CHIEF HAS THEIR MIDDLE SCHOOL CROSS COUNTRY TEAM RUNNING AROUND THEIR CAMPUS, WHICH IS REALLY IMPORTANT TO NOTE.
HIGH SCHOOL IS RUNNING NORMALLY WHILE CHIEF AND CAPTAIN IS GETTING OUT OF SCHOOL, WHICH MEANS THAT THERE ARE ALREADY CARS AND STUFF, AND SO, THERE IS A POTENTIAL FOR MORE STUDENT DANGER EVEN AFTER SCHOOL, WHICH IS SOMETHING TO CONSIDER.
IN TERMS OF CROSS COUNTRY, MIDDLE SCHOOL CROSS COUNTRY MEETS ARE ACTUALLY ON THE CHIEF ON TUCK CAMPUS.
IF IT'S THAT CLOSE TO A ROAD, THERE'S ALSO THAT TO CONSIDER.
ONE THING THAT I WOULD ASK IS, I THINK MAYBE WE SHOULD HAVE COMMUNICATION WITH CHIEF IN BATTLE GROUND HIGH SCHOOL.
SPECIFICALLY ATHLETIC DIRECTOR, IS THAT MR. PERSONS? IS IT HIS BIRTHDAY TODAY? I THINK IT'S HIS BIRTHDAY TODAY.
BUT ANYWAY, BUT COMMUNICATE WITH THEM ABOUT WHAT COACHES THINK BECAUSE I THINK THIS WILL IMPACT ATHLETES A LOT, AND I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT HASN'T BEEN MENTIONED A TON.
BECAUSE I SEE ADJUSTMENTS LIKE, THOSE ARE SOFTBALL FIELDS.
THOSE ARE THE VARSITY BATTLE GROUND SOFTBALL FIELDS, AND THAT'S A ROAD RIGHT NEXT TO IT.
I DON'T THINK THAT SCALE IS REALLY PUTTING INTO PERSPECTIVE. THAT'S RIGHT THERE.
THE FENCE IS ALREADY RIGHT ALONG THAT SOFTBALL FIELD, AND I CAN'T IMAGINE A ROW BEING THERE.
BUT JUST TALKING WITH THEM ABOUT WHAT THEY THINK THE IMPACT WOULD BE, BECAUSE THAT IS A REALLY DIRECT IMPACT TO THE SAME CALIBER OF STUDENTS WALKING TO SCHOOL BECAUSE THOSE FIELDS GET USED EVERY DAY EVEN OFFSEASON.
THE SOCCER FIELD BECAUSE THAT IS THE CAM TEAM SOCCER FIELD.
I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION.
>> I KNOW THIS IS THROWING IT AT YOU.
>> I THINK BECAUSE ALREADY HAVING A FEW INCIDENTS AT PRAIRIE HIGH SCHOOL.
IT'S LIKE I'M ALSO COMPARING THAT TO THIS AND AS WELL AS HOW MANY NEIGHBORHOODS ARE NEAR BATTLE GROUND HIGH SCHOOL.
I KNOW A LOT OF KIDS WALK TO SCHOOL AND YOU SEE IT A LOT ALREADY THAT I DON'T THINK IT'LL REALLY IMPACT THOSE KIDS THAT WALK TO SCHOOL.
PERSONALLY, I HAVE BEEN THOSE KIDS WHO WALK AND ESPECIALLY IN BATTLE GROUND THEY DON'T REALLY LISTEN TO THE SPEED LIMITS.
IT'S REALLY HARD FOR PEOPLE TO LISTEN TO SPEED LIMITS, ESPECIALLY DURING SCHOOL HOURS IN SCHOOL ZONES.
THEY DON'T REALLY PAY ATTENTION AND AS A HIGH SCHOOLER, SOME KIDS DON'T LOOK LEFT AND RIGHT BEFORE THEY WALK.
I THINK IT ALSO IS GOING TO HURT US JUST BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GET CROSSING GUARDS UNLESS WE WANT PARENTS COMING AT US SAYING THAT WE'RE NOT SAFE ENOUGH, BECAUSE THAT'S ALSO ANOTHER ISSUE IS THAT WE MIGHT GET COMMUNITY FEEDBACK ABOUT, WELL, WHY WOULD I WANT MY KID WALKING TO SCHOOL IF THERE'S CARS GOING 25 OR MORE IF THEY DON'T LISTEN TO THE SPEED LIMITS? THEN WE HAVE PARENTS COMING UP TO US, PARENTS COME TELLING US THAT THEY DON'T FEEL SAFE WITH THEIR STUDENTS.
THEY DON'T FEEL SAFE SENDING THEIR KIDS TO SCHOOL IN A CERTAIN WAY AND THEN WHAT DOES THAT DO? THAT ADDS MORE BUS ROUTES.
I COULD ADD MORE BUS ROUTES, BECAUSE A LOT OF PARENTS ARE GOING TO WANT THEIR KIDS TO BE PICKED UP AND WE DON'T KNOW THEIR ISSUES.
OR THAT THEY HAVE AT HOME THAT THEIR KIDS CAN'T MAKE IT TO SCHOOL.
THEN THAT'S ANOTHER ISSUE THAT CAN BRING TARDIES THAT CAN BRING A LOT MORE ISSUES TO BATTLE GROUND HIGH SCHOOL, ESPECIALLY.
>> STIFFLER BRINGS UP A GOOD POINT.
WHAT IS THE SPEED LIMIT ON THAT ROAD OR PROPOSED SPEED LIMIT?
>> RIGHT NOW UNDER THE CITY'S CODE, IT READS 25.5.
>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS?
>> I SHOULD ADD TO THAT BECAUSE OF THE SCHOOL SPEED LIMIT, THAT WOULD BE 20 FOR THAT.
JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR SHOWING UP.
I MEAN, IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOUR PLAN IS AND WE APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING THE DETAIL AND COMING TO SPEAK WITH US TONIGHT.
WE JOIN THIS WORK SESSION AT 5:29, AND WE'LL HAVE START A REGULAR MEETING AT SIX O'CLOCK. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.